I’m Back for a Bit, But First a Look at a Fun Comment on My Last Post

I’m tired, but I’ve really missed the internet so I’m back for a bit. My semester of teaching and grad school is finally over, and I’m hoping to get back to writing for a bit. I miss complaining about weird stuff and talking about teaching, so that’s forthcoming. However, my last post was apparently a point of contention for a few people, and instead of the optimistic, reflective post I was planning to write today, I chose to look again at a comment on that old post, and then I was inclined to reply, and then my reply got a little long, and then I used up all the time I’d set aside to write in replying to this person. 

I’m going to post the comment in its entirety because I want to allow the author to present their ideas exactly as they are, and it can also be found at the bottom of this other post, and I’m also going to post my reply so that author can see it because I want them to know I consider them to be a foolish, hateful individual. 


Here is the comment
“I have noticed how the left damns all opinions that are not their own. I wonder why they are so threatened by others opinions especially when it’s the truth? It appears that those who become over educated in these times, have very odd and intolerant beliefs, maybe superiority complexes? That student made a very valid point. If a man would say “I feel a woman” when he clearly is not one and then another say “I feel like a butterfly” when he is clearly not one, even in sarcasm to point out the truth, I don’t get why you chose to see it as hostile and not amusing. The hypocrisy of the left is amazing for a group that claims to be above the “deplorables.” To share a different opinion is not hate but to accuse and get angry against those who don’t think like you is. I find it odd that the left does not see the threat they are to many with all their odd and hypocritical beliefs. Many men are threatened by other men who don’t want to be what they are but liberals are taught only their feelings and thoughts count, not the way they make others feel. This is wrong but liberals are a very selfish hedonistic bunch that lives on “urges” rather than doing the right thing. “If it feels good, do it.” Battle cry of the 60’s. Liberals are the biggest bigots of them all. Was that kid rude? Yes, but the first one needs to know there are those just like him out in the real world and mommy and teach ain’t gonna be around to help him out. I come from Detroit and gangstas so all this “hurt feelings” crap is complete nonsense to me. Grow up, don’t share if it’s not safe, that’s how you stay alive in my world. Sorry for the rant!”

And my reply
I’m not gonna lie, a few weeks ago I read the first line of this comment and I immediately stopped caring about it, but now I see that you’re absolutely right. I AM guilty of demonizing some opinions I don’t share, but I’m not about to apologize because those opinions are worth damning. I’ll go on record in any platform in any context and say that prejudice, which you seem to be defending because that is the only thing I attacked, is well-worth damning. If, as you say, I’m “threatened by others opinions especially when it’s the truth,” then the truth you seem to be defending is prejudice. If prejudice is the truth for you, then perhaps it’s time for you to rethink what has led you to this place of pathetic intolerance.

You mention that the “over educated” have “very odd and intolerant beliefs” or even “superiority complexes.” Good point! I do genuinely think I’m better than bigots. I bet I could demolish one in a game of scrabble, and I find every part of their ideology stupid and utterly limited by what they believe in their rotten nougat center. Then you go on to say a prejudiced student was making a valid point. Golly, you just can’t stop defending intolerable acts! Imagine, for a second, if the student I talked about had said something racist. That kind of thing is pretty intolerable, which I hope you’d agree with. The situation in my class was similar because it was hate directed at a person’s identity. Race, gender, sexuality, all are parts of identity. I also wonder why you think it invalid for my student to feel feminine? Is your argument that transgender people don’t exist? You mention that I fail to see opinions that aren’t mine, but you fail to acknowledge that people that aren’t like you even EXIST. The hypocrisy of the right is pathetic.


You bring up the strange point that “liberals are taught only their feelings and thoughts count, not the way they make others feel” which is just a weird point. How selfish are you to live your life in a way that, when seeing someone who has been marginalized finally express the courage to just openly exist, you respond with but it makes me feel weird! Why are your feelings any more important than those of anybody else? Nobody is important. Nobody is special. You’re not important, and neither is my student, but nobody deserves to be ridiculed and discriminated against because of their identity.

My favorite line from your comment is this: “Liberals are a very selfish hedonistic bunch that lives on “urges” rather than doing the right thing.” It’s my favorite because it shows perfectly your entire opinion and how everything “liberal” you encounter will immediately be interpreted through this laughably biased, totally silly lens. Was I acting on my “hedonistic” urges when I told my students to stop discriminating against each other? Was I being a hedonist when I taught the class anyway? Was I surrendering to my base urges when I never once let the toxic ideas of those students influence how I evaluated them in class? I did my job. My syllabus demanded I discipline bigotry, so I did. Is that the right enough thing for you? Or is it right to join in, bully a student just because those ideas exist somewhere in the world? I’ve no doubt you agree that there is hate in the world, but does the existence of racism in the world mean it HAS to be in my classroom? There are dogs and corn out in the world too, but I don’t let dogs in my class, and it’d be kind of weird if someone started eating a corn on the cob while I’m teaching about argument structures.

My classroom is going to be adorable

And finally, maybe to establish your credibility and leave us with an explanation of how you are an authority, you tell us you came from Detroit and have an intimate understanding of “gangstas.” I’m going to be frank. I don’t give a fuck what you think. I don’t give a fuck what the gangstas in Detroit think. If a gangsta from Detroit came into my classroom and acted like a bigot, I’d do exactly the same as I did for my student. Then, I’d probably ask them to take my other class because a Detroit gangsta would probably have some interesting non-fiction to write.

You also mention that I should grow up. If growing up means I become a callous bigot like you, then I’m going to Peter Pan the hell out of my life and spend my eternity reveling in my absolute disdain for people like you.

All the best,

J

Anyway
New posts are forthcoming, and hopefully most of them will be light and funny and a little angry, but not angry at things that matter.

17 Replies to “I’m Back for a Bit, But First a Look at a Fun Comment on My Last Post”

  1. “Then, I’d probably ask them to take my other class because a Detroit gangsta would probably have some interesting non-fiction to write.” This made me laugh right out loud!

    When people ask what I teach, they are usually looking for an answer like “middle school” or “English,” but what I really want to tell them is “basic human-ness.” Unfortunately there are more than a few people that need a couple (or many) more years of this course. Keep fighting the good fight.

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  2. It’s interesting that a conservative (presumably) commenter would talk about the hypocrisy of liberals given the current political climate where the Republican ideology is the epitome of hypocrisy (exemplified by the GOP and Trump going all-in to support the senatorial campaign of a credibly accused child molester). Good response to that asshole’s comment.

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  3. t
    ˈbiɡət/
    noun
    noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots
    a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
     
    “I’ve also resisted an even more powerful urge to smack a “Make America Great Again” hat off a student in my class because have you seen what this self-serving goblinoid lunatic is doing?”
     
    “Like being an asshole.”
     
    “Being an asshole is not a political stance.”
     
    “I also wish I’d said that he was a moron and that I’d seen him fall when he was crossing the street earlier, but that’s less for professional gratification and more because he was a prick.”

    “I’m glad you liked the post, and it was definitely hard not to just launch into rage and shouts. I’m pretty sure I lost a bit of my smile from grinding my teeth so hard reading some of right’s perspectives.”
     
    ” If prejudice is the truth for you, then perhaps it’s time for you to rethink what has led you to this place of pathetic intolerance.”  You assume prejudice is her truth and insult this woman by implying she is pathetically intolerant….
     
    “I’m going to be frank. I don’t give a fuck what you think. I don’t give a fuck what the gangstas in Detroit think. If a gangsta from Detroit came into my classroom and acted like a bigot, I’d do exactly the same as I did for my student.”  This one seems a little abrasive coming from one whom is oh so tolerant…..
     
    “You also mention that I should grow up. If growing up means I become a callous bigot like you, then I’m going to Peter Pan the hell out of my life and spend my eternity reveling in my absolute disdain for people like you”
     
    From Maxine… Another tolerant person fighting bigotry….. “Anyway, as a pretty liberal, left-leaning queer woman of color myself, it is such a struggle to not respond incoherently with angry snorts and smacking of MAGA hats when I encounter people who say bigoted things like your student, so I really admire how you’re handling this!”
     
    That’s all I have time for at the moment…. but I will let you and Maxine in on a couple of things……..Both of you are bigots…. Plain and simple… I too am a bigot when it comes to certain things….yet I somehow manage to stay off of my high horse because I am also honest…. which is something the two of you should try… Another thing I’d like to point out…. When your takeaway (I’m talking to you Maxine) from what I wrote is the fact that I use a lot of ellipses when I write (there is a reason for this by the way…maybe one day I’ll write a blog about it or better yet…offer up a little contest to see if someone actually solves this riddle) instead of a factual rebuttal to what I wrote…. Nothing was absorbed… Close minds are seen as bigoted….. Stop claiming to be on the high ground here…. Stop virtue signaling… Stop projecting and please…please…please work to have standards that are singular…. The double standards here are laughable at best….. 
    Here’s a solid example of your double standards…. You teach about being inclusive when it comes to race…gender…sexual identity…. yet you and Maxine… ( a queer person of color) automatically assumed my gender now didn’t you…???..
    To be honest I don’t give a shit if you called me a male or female  (because there are only two genders and it’s very obvious which one I am)….I don’t care if you got my gender correct…. I care that you think it’s alright to assume one’s gender but try to pass fucking laws  to punish me if I were to “mispronoun” you or your ilk…..
    The sad thing is….. You teach kids about the English language…. yet you don’t even know the definition of one of the words you like to use to describe someone that doesn’t agree with you…

    We’ll talk soon……….

    Oh….here’s a couple more…. just in case you need to be reminded that you are fighting bigotry…..

    “This person is such a dummy!”

    noneuclideansofa

    tonymarkp
    2d ago
    This comment filled me with ridiculous glee

    Logic is also a kinder term than they deserve.

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    1. Cherry-picking definitions is neat-o. Here’s a fuller definition: “a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.”

      Do I exhibit definite disdain toward a group because of their political or ideological beliefs? Yup. However, the group I have all that creamy disdain for just so happens to be racists and homophobes, and transphobes who are bigoted in the way every person actually uses the word.

      To conclude, I have a personal plea from an English teacher. Buddy, the ellipsis, it’s too much. You clearly don’t like me. I clearly don’t care. This goes beyond you and me, beyond what you believe and beyond what I do too. It’s so annoying to read when you constantly punctuate with gratuitous ellipsis. Save them for when they can really be effective.

      That “we’ll talk soon” up there would have been a PERFECT chance for an ominous ellipsis, but then you add like a bunch of extra periods, and I can’t even tell what it’s supposed to communicate.

      Anyway, we won’t talk soon. It’s kind of boring talking to you, and I don’t really see the point. I’m going to believe what I believe. You seem bent on believing what you do. I don’t want to persuade you, and it’s exhausting to read really long comments so let’s just call it a day.

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      1. Never said I didn’t like you… In fact… I do like you… I think you are a great writer and you have a wonderful sense of humor… I just disagree with you on a few things…..

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  4. Amazing but predictable hypocrisy coming from someone who is intolerant by principle. You act like you are fighting some horrible bigotry by fighting decency and common sense. Good luck with that. Amusing post by the way. “You can’t handle the truth!” Sound familiar? You teach class with an attitude like this? Swearing and having a fit from the truth. Good luck with that too. I was trying to make a point that some of us are from the real world with bad circumstances and people and petty folk like you are unbelievable to those like me. I don’t think it is OK to offend some and not others, that’s hypocrisy and you are a hypocrite of the highest. Being a specific race is something you cannot change anymore than you can what sex you were born. There are some that try, but it’s not possible. Individual’s personality disorders, quirks or how they “feel” are not others problems, nor should they be in any classroom setting. You might want to think where you are headed because this left wing insanity is getting old fast.

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  5. I don’t want to argue one way or the other regarding anyone’s definition of bigotry, as referred to earlier in the comments here, but isn’t this just a case of knowing, learning or understanding what is socially acceptable?
    A student who opens up about their own feeling of self, which is normally a quite private matter, in order to agree with the point their tutor is making to the class would surely be considered socially acceptable and quite laudable. On the other hand, however, another student who verbally attacks that person for having the audacity to reveal something personal about them self which this student considers to be of no value or relevance, is not only acting in a socially unacceptable manner but is missing the point of what the tutor is trying to convey to the class. i.e. that everyone’s personality is different, and to try to minimalise personalities into a simple binary of male and female is both erroneous and impossible.
    Let’s put it another way.
    Say one were to take a random group of 500 people and ask them all which political train of thought they subscribe to – Republican or Democrat – and the initial results were about even. If one then introduced other factors one by one, such as housing, healthcare, taxation, international relations, etc. and gave each person a 50-50 choice as to which of any two options they preferred in each case, one would eventually reach a point where no two individuals had supplied the same answers to the full set of questions. By definition, therefore, one has 500 separate and individual political standpoints, and not the simple two as per the original question.
    Precisely the same situation arises with regard to feelings of self, in that it cannot be defined as a simple binary of male and female.
    In my opinion the student who opened up receives an “A” grade, while the student who responded should maybe consider whether they belong in the class at all. They certainly have a lot to learn.
    Just my opinion, so thank you for the opportunity to express.

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    1. I couldn’t agree more. I think a lot of the time, what we see if a difference in vocabulary and context. One student might think there is only republican or democrat, man or woman, and then another thinks of gender as a spectrum. When those two collide in class, the student who believes there’s only a binary reacts as if anything outside or crossing the binary is impossible.

      I agree with your grades for my students, but I also wouldn’t want to entirely remove the offending student. I always hope there’s room for people to learn, and maybe this is just an early, terrible draft of his personality.

      I’m glad you stopped by to comment 🙂

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